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CDI and stator problems

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I have a 1986 xt600z Tenere that when I got someone had hacked out all wireing, I have made a new loom, I had the charging coils on the stator rewound and replaced the regulator as that was all cooked, someone has mounted the CDI box under the seat.

The problem is the wires for the trigger and source coil commming off the stator are different colours from and diagrams. Also I had the CDI box tested twice on 2 different testers and it’s bad, I tested the trigger and source coils resistance and on a peck meter and they are good. Can any one tell me witch wires connect to witch colours on the cdi wires? I know witch is with on the CDI box apart from the blue wires.
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Re: CDI and stator problems

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Also what are the 2 blue wires from the cdi box for?
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I can see from the top of your pic you have a wiring diagram. :sherlock:

Now i`ve never seen a 1VJ diagram but we do have a color one for a 3AJ you might want to compare it to your one, HERE. (page down).

We used to have a couple of guys on the forum who were pretty shit hot with this kind of stuff but unfortunately they no longer frequent the forum any longer. :sadnanna:

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I have a couple diagrams, I was able to ID the wires on the CDI unit apart from the blue blue/yellow I think they are for grounding the unit for clutch and side stand?


I know the green, green/wite are for the source coil and the red/black, blue, and black/yello is for the trigger but I have looked everywhere and I can not find witch goes to the right clours on the CDI unit.

I know if you swap the trigger coil wires polarity on a Yamaha WR200 it will run like a bag of shit and will not rev.

Is the 3rd wire from the trigger coil an earth back to the CDI unit?
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Re: CDI and stator problems

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Hi

1VJ CDI:
https://www.xt600.de/xt_werkstatt/_bast ... is_1vj.htm

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It is a bit complicated and we would have to know what you want to do with the bike. This is the original European setup with electric start and sidestand safety switch. The CDI is mounted behind the battery box, under the seat, on the mudguard, from the factory.

Basically:
  • Blue serves all the electric start related stuff. All the switches and relais to make sure you do not start with gear engaged, except the clutch is disengaged.
  • Blue-Yellow has to connect to ground for the engine to run. It is connected to the circuit of the Blue wire, to the sidestand switch and the kill switch.
The simplest way would be this:
  • Disconnect Blue from the CDI and use your brain for electric start safety.
  • Connect Blue to the kill switch blue/white wire to have the kill start functionality. Or connect Blue directly to ground to check if you get a spark (which will override the kill switch)
So this is the simplified version for test or simplified offroad use (I got rid of the electric starter a long time ago):

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If you need to have the sidestand switch for roadworthyness, wire it in serial, right where the new violet connection is in the plan.

As for the Pick-Up wires it is relevant to wire them with correct order and polarity.
Same with the red and brown wire for condenser charging coil. Some aftermarket stators have brown and red switched, and you have to connect them the other way round for the CDI to work.

Yes, the third wire is common ground for both pickup coils. The Pick-Up has two internal coils, one for low rpm advance and one for high rpm advance.
You can learn a lot from the transmic page:
https://transmic.net/2016/07/14/yamaha/

I run a 3AJ engine in my 1VJ, but used the matching 3AJ CDI.
The wires are all the same except for the pickup-wires: One CDI has round connectors in a three-bay housing, the other one has spade connectors in a three-bay housing
And the colors are different ...
The plain green colored is the Pick-Up ground wire.

I will come back later with electric diagrams of 1VJ and 3AJ

Could you sort out which cables actually come from the STATOR? The black/yellow one does not ...

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Re: CDI and stator problems

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Hello thanks for the info, I sorted out witch stator wires are for the source and trigger coils on the stator Just because of the different colours I am not sure of the polarity.

Yes I won’t be needing a start inhibitor switch anywhere, my cdi won’t spark so I need to find another one if you know of one?
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SOHC wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:38 pmmy cdi won’t spark so I need to find another one if you know of one?
There's a bloke in NZ who sells them, he doesnt stock them he builds you one to order, i have bought one from him. HERE

There are also several guys in Europe selling them (all aftermarket) and slightly cheaper but then there is exchange rate & shipping cost.

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Re: CDI and stator problems

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Green, black/red = source coils,

blue, green/wite = trigger coils,

black/yellow = common earth.
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https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/moto ... 2519666450

What about this for a replacement CDI?
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Re: CDI and stator problems

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SOHC wrote: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:49 am https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/moto ... 2519666450

What about this for a replacement CDI?
Yes, if you read the link i posted i said this one is best for you as its in NZ, i have purchased one from this guy.

HYPERPACK is Electronic Research and Development (same guy)

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